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Mod Reminder: May 14, 2010
cherries, oneglia_1
misadventurelad

Just a reminder that [info]fatshionista sales posts will go on hiatus after May 14, 2010. After that point, all sales posts will be rejected from the queue with a note reminding you of the change in rule. All sales posts will have to go to [info]fatshionxchange after midnight PDT May 14, 2010. You may find more information on this decision by reading through this post by the [info]fatshionista Mods.

[Mod Announcement] Salesapocalypse!
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
What follows is a collaboratively-authored missive from the fatshionista mod team.

It may or may not surprise you that the moderators of this community are of differing minds as to whether sales posts belong in fatshionista. We have gone back and forth over it over the years, and the last compromise amongst the moderators and membership relegated sales posts to Fridays only. Despite our different minds on sales posts, all of your moderators have agreed that we will be putting sales posts on hiatus as of May 14th. Frankly, we need a break from sales posts and the frustrations that come with them.

We will continue to debate the possibilities around sales in Fatshionista. The community has never gone dark. We've swelled to nearly 7,500 members over the past few years and it is our intention to keep the community on track with its original goals and intentions. We will be using some of this time away from sales to consider if/how sales can fit within a community like Fatshionista and what would make handling the sales posts easier for both the community and the moderator team. We anticipate revisiting this issue in the coming weeks.

We understand that this will seem like a tremendous shift. We also understand that many of you rely on sales posts for income and access to lower cost fat fashions. In an attempt to make this decision a bit more palatable, we have set up a sister community where you will be able to post sales posts until we come to an agreement about where to go next in terms of sales within the community.

fatshionxchange will be unmoderated for the time being and not subject to our normal sales post rules. We know that this will take adjustment but this is just temporary while we reevaluate sales in the community. We hope that, despite the lack of moderation and rules, that sellers will craft posts that are just as easy for buyers to peruse as our rules attempt to do.

fatshionista sales posts will go on hiatus after May 14, 2010. After that point, all sales posts will be rejected from the queue with a note reminding you of the change in rule. All sales posts will have to go to fatshionxchange after midnight PDT May 14, 2010.

Promo posts that highlight fat friendly events and fat friendly small businesses will remain in the main community on Fridays only (no change in rule here).

Thank you for your patience while we work to make Fatshionista better for all of us.

[As an additional note from me personally: this is not up for debate. Also, a word to those who only participate here for the sales posts: there's no need to comment alerting us to your imminent departure from this community. You do not need our permission to leave, nor do we need to know you've gone. Allow your absence to hang in the air like the faint perfume of a long-lost love. We will write poetry about you and remember you fondly that way.]

[Mod Stuff] Oops.
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
Hi fats!

I am confessing to a mod mea culpa: I accidentally rejected about ten pending membership requests (Edit: NOT POSTS IN THE QUEUE, but requests to join the community) just now. So if you've recently sent a request and it hasn't been approved, please resubmit. My sincere apologies. I pushed the wrong button.

To balance out my modfail, I will also share a link to a Newsweek article I wrote, published a couple days ago, on my experiences as a fat kid, and commenting on Michelle Obama's anti-childhood-obesity crusade. I don't think it's been posted here yet. (I suggest you avoid comments unless you really dislike me personally, or fat people in general, and want to spend time with like-minded folk.)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Dumptruck Friday.

[Still, astonishingly, a mod] OOTD Guideline Exposition (Now With Extra Bolding!)
Fats: Semantics!
theoryofgravity
Given the perfectly reasonable, rational, and non-hysterical-flailing response to yesterday's announcement, I'd like to add a few notes on the Outfit of the Day (OOTD) post guideline change. For those who missed it: the long-standing size-14-and-up-only OOTD post rule has been adjusted to US women's (i.e., not juniors) size 16 -- or the men's equivalent -- and up. This does not apply to any other participation in the community; as always, people of all sizes are welcome to post, comment, and contribute, as many of you of many different sizes have done for years. Nor does this change affect sales posts. It only affects OOTD photo posting.

I hope the following clarifies things.

1. This change is not intended to cut back or eliminate outfit posts; nor is it likely to function in that way at all. In truth, the overwhelming majority of the posts affected by this change were routinely being rejected from the queue even under the old size 14W rule. Now the mods just have a stronger rule to cite when necessary.

2. In case folks weren't aware, we have always had a size cutoff for photo posts, this new adjustment has simply refined it. And as before, it continues to operate not as a hard-and-fast rule but as a flexible guideline open to interpretation by the mods. It does not and has never meant that everything in your post has to be size 16 or larger -- most of us can wear a range of sizes, I'd wager -- but that you must acknowledge that you typically fit a size 16 in order for your post to be accepted. Have you had an OOTD approved in the past? Odds are you'll continue to do so. Many of our smaller members have been asked to edit posts to include size information over the years, and it's extremely rare that anyone has a problem with it, and most just come to include that information automatically in future posts. Asking smaller posters to provide size information is a very common occurrence already, because we don't want to deny outfit posts that are community-appropriate, but rather want to make certain their appropriateness is clear to us and to the community. The fact is, these guidelines don't exist simply because the mods enjoy making and enforcing rules (trust me, we don't) but to prevent smaller posters from being inundated with "you're not fat, why are you posting?" comments challenging their right to be here. These types of comments, I might add, are explicitly against community rules because they have led to smaller posters feeling attacked in the past.

3. Fatshionista is not intended to serve all people everywhere equally. It is intended to be a community for politically-engaged people who identify as fat, specifically fat people who wear plus sizes. Are some people who DON'T wear US plus sizes still fat? Absolutely! And they'd probably still have OOTD posts approved without a problem. Which brings us to:

4. Outfit of the day posts serve a purpose beyond "do these jeans look okay on me?" or "does this top go with this skirt?" Their more important effect, I'd argue, is that they create a space in which fat people are encouraged to be visible, because in so much of mainstream culture, we're not, or we have no control over our representation. Outfit of the day posts are supposed to showcase the style and confidence of fat people of all sizes, and are not meant to a refuge for anybody-of-any-size with some degree of body insecurity looking for a "safe" and supportive space to post pictures. (That would actually be a really cool community, frankly. Somebody should start it.) Seeing outfit of the day posts can also help other members to accept their own bodies.

Thus, for the purposes of assessing the posts submitted to the queue, the mods have agreed that applicable posts tend to start around a size 16. Is the number somewhat arbitrary? Sure. Even bodies that wear the same size all look different, and the vast majority of OOTD posts are approved or denied based on the poster's visible fatness, and not their clothing size. But in the interest of efficiency and clarity in community administration, we need to acknowledge some division between fat and not-fat, even though in real life that division is rarely so clear.

As an aside, over the course of the debate, some folks have cited their BMI as evidence of their fatness. This is an interesting point, except for the fact that the BMI is garbage, and certainly fails to reliably impart meaningful information about a person's body shape and size. To be precise, being "overweight" or "obese" according to the BMI says nothing about whether a person is visibly fat, or would read as fat to other people. If you want visual evidence of how useless the BMI is for describing fatness, check out The Illustrated BMI Project, a collection of pictures of people and their often-shocking BMI categories originally put together by Kate Harding of Shapely Prose. To be clear, Outfit of the Day pictures in fatshionista are meant to show people who are visibly fat, not people with a certain BMI.

If you feel persecuted by this, well, that sucks for you, and we're sorry to hear it. But I've learned that when you're administrating a community with several thousand members, it's inevitable some folks won't like the policies you set. C'est la vie.

My ability to respond to comments will be extremely limited today, though there are other mods at your disposal for questions and further clarifications. Thanks again for your general awesomeness, fats!

[I'm a mod] Announcements: Laydeez, OOTDs, diet talk, and a new mod.
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
Hey fatshionistas! I've got four pieces of information to discuss below.

Thing the first is: gendered greetings.

As you may or may not know, fatshionista doesn't like gendered greetings so much - greetings like "hi ladies!" or "hey girls!" or "ahoy, vagina-havers!" and so on - because they can be exclusionary to folks who don't feel comfortable fitting into those categories. The gendered-greeting dislike evolved not in the vacuum of space where your robot mods dwell, glittering amongst the stardust, but as a response to actual members consistently raising their real frustrations with constantly feeling left out. Thus we came to a compromise: the mods make efforts to notify posters that gendered greetings are not friendly, but ultimately it's left up to the poster in question as to whether they'd like to change their wording.

A popular defense of the gendered-greeting is "But I've only ever seen ladies post!" This may very well be the case. However, there's two reasons why even only seeing ladies post is not a good reason for addressing folks with gender-specific greetings. First of all, even though you might look at a member and think "LADY!", that member may take exception to that term, for any number of reasons.

Secondly, though there is no avoiding the clear gender bias in the makeup of this community as it exists now, the community maintainers still want this to be a place that is welcoming to folks of all genders. Speaking for myself, I like diversity! Lots of us do. Striving for a diversity of membership means thinking harder about the things we post, ideally before we post them, and it means thinking harder about how we confront folks who don't know when they've crossed a line. It also means knowing how to disagree effectively. If you don't like diversity, you may want to reconsider your participation in this community, because that is a stated part of what we're about.

No one has ever been banned simply for saying "lady," nor is that likely to happen. Posters using gendered greetings are merely given a heads-up by a mod as a courtesy, usually because subsequent commenters addressing the issue can be less diplomatic and/or benign in pointing it out (diplomacy and/or gentility being mostly optional around here, though respect is not), which has historically led to bickering and, occasionally, high drama. The mods are not interested in policing every single discussion. If you doubt this, step back in time with me to 2005 for a sense of the longevity of the struggle to keep a balance between enforcing rules and enabling tough conversations to happen.

A reminder from a mod that gendered greetings are exclusionary is not a personal attack, or a veiled threat, or an earthquake rattling you to your very soul. It's just a notice that gendered greetings do upset some folks. Just so you know. You can do with that information as you will. Think of it as if someone is telling you that you have food stuck in your teeth. Sure, it might be a little embarrassing in the moment, but arguably less so to be notified in a gentle way, so you can get to a mirror and take care of it, rather than walk around with food stuck in your teeth all day. Of course, you're also free to leave the food stuck in your teeth if you want, though there may be some social consequences as a result.

Thing the second is: updated outfit-of-the-day (OOTD) guidelines.

In the interest of keeping this community on-topic, we are adjusting the rules applied to Outfit of the Day posts. OOTD posts may be made by posters who typically wear a women's size 16W and up (ETA: or, for the sake of comparison, a men's XL and up) in US sizing -- posters wearing international sizing will be assessed on a case by case basis. Exceptions may be made if you identify yourself as a shorter person (5'4 and under) who wears a 12W and up. We also may ask smaller members to specify their usual clothing sizes and/or height in the text of their post to avoid confusion (or an unfortunate influx of other members grimly alerting the OP to their lack of appropriate fatness). This rule does not mean that everything you are wearing in the post has to be marked a 16 or larger - we are quite aware of how clothing of different sizes can stretch. It simply means that OOTD posts are limited to folks who usually wear a size 16 or larger in ready-to-wear clothing. As always, this rule is dependent on the self-reporting of posters and its application is subject to the discretion and interpretation of the moderators.

ETA: The above is not intended to imply that everyone wearing less than a 16W needs to GTFO. These guidelines are for the posting of Outfit of the Day (OOTD) posts only. As always, people of any size are welcome to join, post, and comment in this community, so long as their contributions are on topic. For smaller fats who still want to share outfit posts, I suggest you check out inbetweenies, a community founded for this purpose some years ago but which has sadly become somewhat inactive.

Thing the third is: diet/weight loss talk is unwelcome in fatshionista.

This part is a reminder that this community attempts to create a rare space in which diet and weight loss talk is actively discouraged. There are ten bazillion other circumstances under which these subjects are both normal and accepted; not so here. To crib directly from the community profile:

5. fatshionista is not a place for the discussion of dieting or weight loss. There are many other Livejournal communities where these topics can be freely shared in a supportive environment. This is not meant to pass judgement on any individual members for their choices, as we support the right of folks to make their own decisions, but that sort of conversation is explicitly contrary to the mandates of this community, the central pillar of which is size acceptance. Therefore, we consider these subjects extremely off-topic and downright counterproductive, even when they appear in an otherwise appropriate post. Value-free mentions of sizing changes are fine (“My favorite jeans don’t fit anymore, I need new ones in an 18, any suggestions?”) whereas self-congratulatory expressions of weight loss are not (“I’ve lost fifty pounds and now I can wear skirts and everyone keeps giving me compliments and it’s awesome!”). This is not because weight loss is inherently bad or wrong (nor does simply losing weight mean a member is less of a “true” Fatshionista) but because this kind of talk can be extremely triggering for those with histories of eating disorders and body hatred, and allowing it to continue unchecked would create a less size-positive environment.

The above was originally written several years ago and is still as true today as it was then.

Thing the fourth is: chavvah is a new mod.

A couple weeks ago, chavvah was added as a new mod! Yay. Let's give her a big fat welcome. You can also read more about the other mods here, in case you've forgotten who we are.

Honorable mention: the purpose of the moderators.

As a final clarification, the mods are here to enforce the rules and moderate the posts, not to act as a personal police force for individual members. We moderate content via the queue, and while we will dispense warnings in comment threads as necessary, we do not delete comments or censor individuals, not for their words, not for their usernames, not for their choice of icon. (The only exception to this happens in clear cases of trolling.) If you have a problem with another member's username or icon, feel free to take it up with them directly, whilst adhering to the same standards of behavior expected of all conversations in this community. If a member is clearly trolling or breaking the rules outlined in the community profile, please email the mods at ljmods@fatshionista.com to let us know.

Thanks, kids. As always, feel free to offer props or vent your spleen in comments.

[ModPost] Halloween Thread Reminder
cherries, oneglia_1
misadventurelad
Hey everybody!

Just a friendly reminder that if you've a Halloween costume to share it should be going in the grand fatshionista Halloween Costume Post. If you try to submit a photo of your Halloween costume through the queue, it'll be rejected and you'll be directed to post in the designated thread.

As you were.

[Modpost] Happy Halloween (costume thread)!
cherries, oneglia_1
misadventurelad
As we've done in the past, we're starting up the official costume thread o' fatshionista.

If you have a Halloween costume to post, from today forward, it needs to go into the comments of this post. It'll be rejected from the queue-- we get lots of lovely costumes around here and having them go straight into the community is a bit overwhelming. Plus how great is it to have all of your awesome costumes all in one place? Seriously great I'll tell you what! If you're interested in following comments, you can click on the "track" option at the top of this post (that's the button that looks like a pushpin) to get notified whenever there're new comments.


Thanks a bunch everybody! Happy Halloween (y Dia de los Muertos para los que celebrar ese día)!

[Mod] Announcement regarding promotional posts.
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
Hi folks. For the past couple months, we've been trying to sort out how best to handle the growing issue of promotional posts in fatshionista. After a lot of clunky and confusing attempts to encourage promo posts to be more content-intensive, we've finally decided simply to relegate all promos of fat friendly events, small/indepdendent businesses, blogs, podcasts, or any other fat-positive flotsam to what the mods are now affectionately calling Dump Truck Fridays.

What counts as a promo post? Examples:

- a post promoting a seminar on medical advocacy
- a post announcing fat-friendly dance classes
- a post promoting a fat swim event
- a post promoting a plus-size sample or trunk sale
- a post promoting one's artwork, podcast, vlog, or other fat-positive media

Corporate promotion/advertising is still NEVER allowed. Nor is repeated weekly spamming, so choose your promotions wisely. We will determine what counts as "spamming" or "corporate" on a case by case basis.

Content-contributing posts that contain promotional notes are still permissible on other days of the week. For example, if you post an outfit, ask a question, or post anything intended to spark discussion, and also include a note about your seminar/class/swim/sale/vlog as part of that post, that's fine. The above only applies to posts that are exclusively promotional.

Got questions? Fire away. Also, any dump truck macros you can contribute to the cause are greatly appreciated.

[Mod] Welcome to Fatshionista, enjoy your stay.
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
Dear fatshionista,

Hi! How are you? I am fine! I feel like we need to clarify some boundaries today! So here we go!

fatshionista is a fat-positive community.

This means we are positive about our fatness. This also means we do not cotton to the conventional diet talk prevalent in mainstream culture. I don't care if you talk dieting and weight loss all day long outside of your participation in fatshionista. There is a place for people to engage in pro-diet talk; it is called everywhere else. This community is different. You do not do it here.

Diet-related discussions, when they do happen, are expected to take place seasoned with a healthy dose of criticism. You do not have to apologize for weight loss or for personal choices, but it is expected that you think carefully about your language before posting. It is expected that you are capable of speaking thoughtfully about dieting and weight loss in value-free ways. If you cannot comment without saying, "Of course EVERYONE KNOWS that being fat is gross and unhealthy!" (because, no, not everyone does, because, no, it's not universally true) then simply do not comment. Yes, we are fascists who cruelly silence your pro-diet commentary! Yes, we will ban you if it continues!

All of this and more is covered in the community profile page, which, if you listen carefully, you can hear crying out to you pitifully: "Read me! Read me!"

Also, since it's Friday, here's some copypasta:

fatshionista has moderated posting - the guidelines are here. If your post is rejected, it is nothing against you personally, a mod has simply decided it did not meet the posting criteria. Rejected posts will always include an explanation in the notification email LJ sends you. You are also encouraged to email the mods at ljmods at fatshionista dot com with any questions and we will do our best to get back to you once we've had a chance to communicate about your issue.

Deleting posts or comments will get you banned. Do not do it.

Coupon and promo codes are listed in the comments to this post. We recommend you use LJ's Message Center to track all comments to this post if you are interested in coupon codes. More info is available at the above link.

Sales posts are only approved on Fridays. Sales posts are also subject to certain formatting rules; do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the required post format BEFORE submitting your sales post, and you will save yourself a lot of post-editing aggravation. More information is available here.

We have a post where feedback can be left for Friday-sales transactions; it's here. The community moderators take no responsibility for sales posts gone awry, so you always buy at your own risk, but the feedback post offers a venue to share both good and bad experiences with other members.

Thanks Fats!

Most sincerely yours,
theoryofgravity

[Mod] Updated Meet-Your-Mods post, plus some friendly reminders.
Fats: Nonthreatening Mod Icon (with hat)
theoryofgravity
Hello, dears. It was recently brought to my attention that our original Meet The Mods post was seriously outdated, so we've edited it appropriately. Shiny new bios for all the current community maintainers are under the cut below.

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And here are some other useful links:

fatshionista has moderated posting - the guidelines are here. If your post is rejected, it is nothing against you personally, a mod has simply decided it did not meet the posting criteria. Rejected posts will always include an explanation in the notification email LJ sends you. You are also encouraged to email the mods at ljmods at fatshionista dot com with any questions and we will do our best to get back to you once we've had a chance to communicate about your issue.

Coupon and promo codes are listed in the comments to this post. We recommend you use LJ's Message Center to track all comments to this post if you are interested in coupon codes. More info is available at the above link.

Sales posts are only approved on Fridays. Sales posts are also subject to certain formatting rules; do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the required post format BEFORE submitting your sales post, and you will save yourself a lot of post-editing aggravation. More information is available here.

We have a post where feedback can be left for Friday-sales transactions; it's here. The community moderators take no responsibility for sales posts gone awry, so you always buy at your own risk, but the feedback post offers a venue to share both good and bad experiences with other members.

This and all the other important rules (including helpful tips on how to get banned) are also explained on the community info page, which I strongly encourage everyone to read before posting or commenting.

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